Intro
Hi everyone and welcome to Books Between - a podcast for teachers, parents, librarians, and anyone who wants to help connect kids between 8-12 to books they’ll love. I am Corrina Allen - a 5th grade teacher, a mom of two, and spending some rainy summer days with my gals playing Blokus and Canasta and Mario Kart and dreaming of the beach….
This is Episode #30 and today I am sharing with you a conversation with Jillian Heise about Classroom Book A Day. We chat about all the wonderful things that can happen when you read one picture book a day to your class. And yes - even upper elementary AND middle school kids! I had considered holding on to this episode a little longer, but realized that lots of you start school in August and would want to start planning things. If you’re like me, you need some time to mull things over and see how everything’s going to fit together.
So before we get started, I want to let you know a couple things up front. First, at the end of the conversation we mention some resources where you can find out lots more information about #ClassroomBookADay - especially Jillian’s main post about it from her website where she so generously shares her slideshows. And the #ClassroomBookADay Facebook Group. I joined that last month and the community there has been extraordinarily helpful. So - if you are interested, I’ll see you there. And I’ll post links to those right in our show notes and on the All the Wonders site.
Second - Jillian talks about A LOT of incredible books today and I know that, like me, you’re going to get excited about them and want to jot down all the titles! But - I’ve got your back. Every single title mentioned is posted and linked right in the show notes.
Okay - let’s dive in!
Main Topic - Interview with Jillian Heise
Tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got inspired to start the #ClassroomBookaDay.
#ClassroomBookaDay is about making time each day in your classroom to read a picture book.
What do you see as the benefit of focusing more on picture books?
I’ve seen these incredible displays of teachers’ #ClassroomBookaDay reading where they post a cover of each book on grid on a bulletin board.
How do you display the #ClassroomBookADay in your school?
How do you see the display of the books as an important of aspect of #ClassroomBookADay?
How do you make time to read one picture book every day?
What is your routine like for reading the books with your students?
What about folks who don’t have their own classroom - librarians, literacy coaches, administrators?
180+ days is a lot to fill! How do you choose titles?
What are some of your favorite books for the first week or so of school?
Where can people go to get more information?
Aside from picture books, what have you been reading lately that you’ve liked?
Closing
Alright - that wraps up our show this week. If you have a question or an idea about a topic we should cover, I would love to hear from you. You can email me at booksbetween@gmail.com or connect on Twitter/Instagram at the handle @Books_Between.
Thank you so much for joining me this week. You can find an outline of interviews and a full transcript of all the other parts of our show along with all of our previous episodes at AlltheWonders.com.
And, if you like what you hear and value the podcast, please leave a quick review or rating on iTunes or Stitcher.
Thanks again and see you soon! Bye!
Episode Links:
Heise Reads & Recommends: www.heisereads.com
BALB Literacy Consulting: www.balblit.com
Facebook #classroombookaday group: www.facebook.com/groups/classroombookaday
Slideshare with Previous Presentations: www.slideshare.net/mrsheise
Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/heisereads
#classroombookaday Origin Story & Updates: http://heisewrites.blogspot.com/2014/09/180-bookaday-read-alouds.html
Nerdy Book Club Post - https://nerdybookclub.wordpress.com/2017/07/03/classroombookaday-the-power-of-shared-picture-book-stories-by-jillian-heise/
PIcture Books Discussed on the Show:
To the Sea (Cale Atkinson)
I Want My Hat Back (Jon Klassen)
Mr Tiger Goes Wild (Peter Brown)
Explorers of the Wild (Cale Atkinson)
Pardon Me (Daniel Miyares)
That Neighbor Kid (Daniel Miyares)
Float (Daniel Miyares)
That Is My Dream (Daniel Miyares)
Barnacle is Bored (Jonathan Fenske)
Poor Little Guy (Elanna Allen)
A Hungry Lion, or a Dwindling Assortment of Animals (Lucy Ruth Cummins)
Sam and Dave Dig A Hole (Mac Barnett & Jon Klassen)
Creepy Carrots (Aaron Reynolds & Peter Brown)
The Monster’s Monster (Patrick McDonnell)
Blizzard (John Rocco)
Each Kindness (Jacqueline Woodson & E.B. Lewis)
The Invisible Boy (Trudy Ludwig & Patrice Barton)
14 Cows for America (Carmen Agra Deedy: Wilson Kimeli Naiyomah & Thomas Gonzaalez)
Fireboat: The Heroic Adventures of the John J. Harvey (Maira Kalman)
The Little Chapel That Stood (A.B. Curtiss & Mirto Golino)
My Teacher is a Monster (No, I am Not.) (Peter Brown)
Wild About Us (Karen Beaumont & Janet Stevens)
My Friend Maggie (Hannah E. Harrison)
Happy Dreamer (Peter H. Reynolds)
A Tiger Tail (Mike Boldt)
Strictly No Elephants (Lisa Mantchev & Taeeun Yoo)
Be a Friend (Salina Yoon)
Let Me Finish (Minh Lè)
School’s First Day of School (Adam Rex & Christian Robinson)
How To Read a Story (Kate Messner)
Dear Dragon: A Pen Pal Tale (Josh Funk & Rodolfo Montalvo)
Beautiful (Stacy McAnulty & Joanne Lew-Vriethoff)
Where Oliver Fits (Cale Atkinson)
Blue Sky, White Stars (Kadir Nelson & Sarvinder Naberhaus)
They All Saw a Cat (Brendan Wenzel)
The Legend of Rock, Paper, Scissors (Drew Daywalt & Adam Rex)
Penguin Problems (Jory John & Lane Smith)
Not Quite Narwhal (Jessie Sima)
Jabari Jumps (Gaia Cornwall)
Dad and the Dinosaur (Gennifer Choldenko & Dan Santat)
I Like, I Don’t Like (Ale Ale & Anne Baccelliere)
MIddle Grade Books Discussed:
Patina (Jason Reynolds)
Miles Morales: Spider Man (Jason Reynolds)
Wishtree (Katherine Applegate)
The Gauntlet (Karuna Riazi)
Fergus & Zeke (Kate Messner & Heather Ross)
Beatrice Zinker Upside Down Thinker (Shelley Johannes)
The Bad Guys (Aaron Blabey)
YA Books Discussed:
War Cross (Marie Lu)
Legend (Marie Lu)
In a Perfect World - Trish Doller
The Names They Gave Us (Emery Lord)
Long Way Down (Jason Reynolds)
All American Boys (Jason Reynolds & Brendan Kiely)
The Hate U Give (Angie Thomas)
Dear Martin (Nic Stone)
Intro
Hello everyone and welcome to the Books Between podcast! If you love to read, if you are a fan of middle grade, if you want to connect kids between 8-12 to books they’ll love, then you have found the podcast for you! I’m your host, Corrina Allen - a mom of an 8 and 10 year old, a 5th grade teacher, and lately - spending a lot of time on the sidelines of lacrosse fields and tennis courts. But - that gives me more time to read!
This is Episode #29 and today I am welcoming author Corey Ann Haydu to the show to chat about her recent middle grade novel, The Someday Suitcase, and then in the book talk segment, I’ll be chatting about two fantastic new books about friendship.
Main Topic - Interview with Corey Ann Haydu
This week I am excited to welcome to the show Corey Ann Haydu. She is both a Young Adult AND Middle Grade author. Her most recent YA novel The Careful Undressing of Love was released just this past January. And you might know her from her debut middle grade book Rules for Stealing Stars. On today’s show, we chat about snow globes, guilt reading, cheese and - of course! - her latest middle grade novel The Someday Suitcase.
The Someday Suitcase
Tell us about The Someday Suitcase - what is this book about?
One of the aspects of this book that I loved was how it shows that a true, deep best friend can bring a little magic into your life.
Did you have a best friend growing up?
Clover is a very science-minded person.
Do you have a science background?
There is often this mix and a bit of tension between magic & science in the book.
Do you see science and magic as compatible?
I loved all the metaphors in this book - like the snow globe! At one point Clover’s teacher says, “Sometimes you have to turn something over and upside down to really see it.”
How did you pick the snow globe to be a central part of the story?
This is a book about so many things! Friendship, and science, and codependency, and snow, and but maybe ultimately about realizing that a loss can also help reveal a different part of yourself that has been dormant. I don’t want to reveal too much of what form that loss takes for Clover and Danny, but…
Can you talk a bit about how you decided on the ending?
Writing Life
You recently moved… I can imagine that a move might be fairly disruptive to writer.
What were the top three things you had to have in place so that you felt like you had a writing space again?
I saw somewhere (maybe Instagram) that you had posted this really inspiring quote from the book BONE by Yrsa Daley-Ward and it says, “If you’re afraid to write it, that’s a good sign. I suppose you know you’re writing the truth when you’re terrified.”
Did any part of writing The Someday Suitcase scare you?
When we first started talking a few months ago, you mentioned how your first school visits were a combination of exhausting and exhilarating.
When you are visiting schools, how do you keep that balance between bringing your full passionate self and also maintaining your energy level?
Your Reading Life
What have you been reading lately that you’ve liked?
How do you decide what to read next?
Book Talk - Two Fantastic Books about Friendship
In this part of the show, I share with you a few books centered around a theme and discuss three things to love about each book. (Yes - I love the number three! But also - I just need limits!) This week I can’t wait to share with you two books that have been on my mind lately. Both feature girls just venturing into middle school. Both are about what happens when friendships collide over crushes. And both are ultimately about reclaiming a part of yourself that was lost. So, they are - 14 Hollow Road by Jenn Bishop and Bubbles by Abby Cooper.
14 Hollow Road
First up this week is 14 Hollow Road by Jenn Bishop. You might know her from her previous middle grade book, The Distance to Home. This novel is about Maddie. And the night of the sixth-grade dance, a tornado hits parts of her town and destroys her home. And the home of her neighbor and crush, Avery. So - it turns out that a kind couple in the area with rooms to spare lets both families stay in their home for the summer. So - Maddie has to live with her crush. And somehow convince him to like her back instead of that other girl he asked to slow dance with. Here are three things to love about 14 Hollow Road:
- The parts about Hank, her sweet dog who goes missing the night of the tornado. And I won’t reveal what happens there but even though things can’t get resolved exactly happily, how that situation plays out with the collar and with Avery was touching.
- When Maddie gets her period! Oh. My. Gosh. And - oh the aftermath when she wants to go swimming but thinks people will see the pad but she’s not ready for a tampon and then wonders if people will know why she’s not swimming. And then she doesn’t even want to go to the pool party at all! The gals reading will either really laugh in recognition or get a sample of what’s to come. And - I just want to say one thing. Please don’t discourage boys from reading this book just because it of the period thing. Guys need to know what’s up - and really, what better way than a light moment in a story to start to figure things out? Let’s please work to end that stigma.
- Throughout this book there are these small tender moments. I don’t want to say too much but, there’s a scene where one character is feeling devastated and vulnerable and the other character in that situation just holds their hand. And it was a small moment, but exceptionally sweet.
14 Hollow Road is a fabulous realistic fiction novel about friendship and change and resiliency. And - I wish I could remember who it was to give them credit - but I heard another author say that the last page of 14 Hollow Road is perfection. And, oh - were they right!
Bubbles
Our second book this week is Bubbles by Abby Cooper! (You might remember her debut novel Sticks & Stones from last year.) This book makes me appreciate the term “speculative fiction” because the premise of this is - what if you could see people’s thoughts above their heads? What insights could you gain? What obligations would that put you under? How accurate is it? And...do you even want to know? Even before reading this book, I was firmly in the camp of “I don’t want to know what people are thinking!” I’ve read those Sookie Stackhouse books - I know the bad is going to outweigh the benefit of knowing people’s thoughts. (By the way - Sookie Stackhouse/Southern Vampire series - not middle grade! Do NOT get those for your 8-12 year old. But you, adult listener - they’re fun. Especially #4 when the witches erase Eric’s memory and he doesn’t realize he’s the bad guy/vampire! Ahhh…. Okay - I digress!)
Anyway - on to Bubbles! This book is about 12 year-old Sophie Mulvaney whose life is in turmoil when her mom loses both her job and her boyfriend within a very short period of time. And then Sophie get assigned a school project to do something that pushes herself to take a risk at a time when she’s not feeling very adventurous. And then - she starts seeing thought bubbles above people’s heads - and everything takes off from there! So, here are three things to love about Abby Cooper’s Bubbles.
- The little nuggets of history and trivia! It’s a small thing, but makes this book clever and unique. And when Sophie starts to feel a little stressed, remembering and connecting her life to historical facts is a way she copes. For example, at one point she says, “I was crankier than Napoleon must have been after the battle of Waterloo, which he lost really bad.” And then, actually earlier - at the beginning of Chapter 7, Sophie is considering whether or not to go see a therapist about her bubble issue.
- The natural portrayal of characters working on their mental health. Sophie’s mother is dealing with some depression after leaving her job as a TV reporter and a tough breakup with a guy who still lives nearby. And that manifests itself in ways that will be familiar to some kids - tiredness and withdrawal from the things she used to love. Sophie and her mom were the Adventurous Girls and now, she would rather stay home. And the solutions to those struggles are not presented as quick or easy, but doable with help. I really think this is a type of book that could help lessen the stigma of mental health issues and a book kids can relate to either because they see themselves or they might recognize things their friends or family are going through.
- How this book helps you realize that even if you could read people’s thoughts, you still don’t know the backstory behind those thoughts. And what’s really motivated people. This book really gives readers a lot to think about in that way. It would be a great book club read.
Bubbles and 14 Hollow Road both brought me back to those middle school days when your relationship with your friends is everything. And how threatening and scary and socially isolated you can feel when a friend seems to be slipping away from you. In Bubbles, Sophie’s friend Kaya seems to be taken over by another girl, Viv. And in 14 Hollow Road Maddie’s feel left out when her best friend Kiersten is spending more time with Gabriella. And then throw an in-common crush into that mix and ugh! It’s awkward and confusing and just one of those rocky experiences you have to figure out. Also - both of these books get that shaving your legs dynamic absolutely right! At least - it resonated with me. When suddenly your friends start shaving and you feel a hairy troll and how it’s just hard to talk to your mom about. I think I snuck my mom’s razor and shaved my legs like a year before she technically allowed me to. (My mom listens to the podcast, so… sorry mom!) These two books would be great options for a mother-daughter book club. My friend, Julie, did that with Abby Cooper’s first book Sticks & Stones and oh I just love that idea!
Closing
Alright - that wraps up our show this week. If you have a question or an idea about a topic we should cover, I would love to hear from you. You can email me at booksbetween@gmail.com or connect on Twitter/Instagram at the handle @Books_Between. There’s always lots of great conversations happening there so, please jump in!
Thank you so much for joining me this week. You can find an outline of interviews and a full transcript of all the other parts of our show along with all of our previous episodes at AlltheWonders.com. And, while you are there, please take a listen to Matthew Winner’s latest episode of the All the Wonders podcast (#372) where he chats with Hena Khan - the author of Amina’s Voice.
And, if you like what you hear and value the podcast, I would really appreciate a quick review or rating on iTunes or Stitcher.
Thanks again and see you soon! Bye!
Episode Links:
Corey Ann Haydu's website
Other middle grade books we chatted about:
The Girls from Ames: A story of women and a forty-year friendship by Jeffrey Zaslow
Braced by Alyson Gerber
My Life with the Liars by Caela Carter
The Remarkable Journey of Charlie Price by Jennifer Maschari
A young adult book we chatted about:
We Are Okay by Nina LaCour
Author Leanne Shapton's website
Intro
Hi and welcome to Books Between - a podcast for teachers, parents, librarians, and anyone who wants to connect kids between 8-12 to books they’ll love. I’m your host, Corrina Allen - a mom of two girls, a 5th grade teacher, and lately I am ALL about the 80s. Have you seen the new Netflix series GLOW? It stands for “Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling” - it’s full on 1980s amazing. Now, I never really got into wrestling myself but I love this show. It’s fun and self-deprecating and takes you back.
Before we jump into the show I just want to mention that the day this episode is released - Monday, July 10th - I am in Michigan at Nerdcamp for the next two days! So, if you are there too - please come say hi! And if not, I’ll be posting lots of updates on my Twitter feed (@corrinaaallen) so you can see what NerdCamp is all about.
This is Episode #28 and Today I share with you my experience doing a diversity audit of my classroom library and then I welcome authors Wendy Shang and Madelyn Rosenberg to the show to chat about their new middle grade novel THIS IS JUST A TEST, which is set - in the 80s!
Main Topic - Diversity Audit
First up is how things went when I did a diversity check of my classroom library. If you listened to the last episode (#27 with librarian Sarah Threlkeld) you heard us chatting about this activity she did with her students to reflect on the diversity found in their school library. And I think even way back to Episode 18, I mentioned reading this fantastic blog post over at Lee & Low Books that shared how one teacher helped her class analyze the books in their room to find out how different genders and races are represented. I’ll include a link to that article and the main framework of what I did is pulled directly from there. So I want to be clear - this is not my idea, but I’m sharing how it went for me with the idea that you might want to try it, too. First I’ll run through the process and then discuss my major takeaways, and how I’ll do it differently next year.
The Process:
First, I showed my 5th graders two infographics. Both have been shared widely on social media and you’ve probably seen them, but I’ll post them on the website so you can find them easily. The first one was a black and white image called “The Diversity Gap in Children’s Books” and it shows a bar graph of the percent of kid’s books in the past 21 years that contain multicultural content. And shows that sadly steady around 10% from 1994 to 2014. 2014 was a slight tick up to 14% but well below where it should be. This picture, which is put together by Lee & Low Books also includes pie charts that show the percent of the US population that are people of color and a projection that the U.S. population will be 57% minority in 2060, which really brings into focus the disparity.
The second infographic I showed them is from ReadingSpark and called “Diversity in Children’s Books 2015” and is in color with illustrations showing the percents of various groups featured as characters in kid’s books - 73.3% White and 12.5% Animals/Trucks, 7.6% African/African American, 3.3% Asian Pacific/Asian Pacific Americans, 2.4% Latina/o, and then 0.9% American Indian.
So, we gathered on the rug and huddled around the Promethean board where I had the images displayed. And I simply asked my students to look carefully at them both and to chat with a partner about what they noticed. I explained terms where necessary, but otherwise I just let them have a look and asked them to make some observations.
And from there, I pivoted the conversation to enlist their help in analyzing our own classroom library so that their information could help me when I ordered new books. And - I was truly moved by their eagerness. These ten and eleven year olds were ready to roll up their sleeves and dig in to see how our books stacked up. And we started by thinking about this, “What questions do you have about the diversity in our classroom library?” And they said things like:
How many books do we have by and about Native Americans?
How many books have an African American main character?
What genre has the most diversity?
Are there more books about people of color than BY people of color?
Do we have more books featuring boys or girls?
I’ll be honest with you - their questions went beyond the scope of what I had planned. They went pretty deep and the data we pulled really only started to answer the questions they had.
So once they had some questions in mind, I had them pair up and grab one bin of books from our classroom library to start sorting through. Our bins are sorted by genre. I used a Google Sheet to record the genre of that bin and some other information. First, they separated out all the books with people on the cover and analyzed just those. Then they counted how many covers included a person of color and jotted that number down. And then they counted how many covers featured at least one girl. And from there, generated percentages using a calculator - which they enjoyed, but then I quickly learned that we needed a refresher on how to figure out percents.
As each pair worked, they added their data to a shared Google Doc so we could see the information come to life in real time. It was exciting and the kids were so engaged! I think that when they feel like they are doing real work, important work, and are helping you out in a genuine way, they are all in. And some recognized the injustice in the situation and were eager to start to set things (not right) but on a better path.
Our takeaways:
So - what did we discover? First up, I’ll give you some examples of the data (flawed as it is). Starting with gender. One thing that stood out was that 81% of the biographies were about men. Not good. That’s changing immediately. Also, realistic fiction seemed to have a better balance of girls and boys with most of those bins featuring kids of different genders. And Fantasy, which I thought was going to be worse, actually only between 9% and 50% only with boys on the cover. That was better than I was anticipating because sometimes that genre is known for a lack of gals. (And a quick side note about that. Now that I’m moving away from thinking about gender as a simple binary of boy or girl, I’m also wondering about better methods for categorizing and doing this type of analysis. So - if you have thoughts on that, please do let me know. There is a whole group of folks out there that want to be doing better and if you have an idea about how to make that happen, I’m absolutely listening.)
Okay - on to the data pulled about race and ethnicity. The percentage of books with no people of color at all on the cover was pretty high. The best category seemed to be realistic fiction which had percentages like 21%, 43%, 63% and one bin at 93%. Some of the least diverse categories were Fantasy with 79% , 80% and 100% of the books in those bins featuring only white people, and graphic novels with 85%. So, now it’s pretty clear where are some particularly troublesome areas and when I go to purchase books, those genres will be my focus.
So, what did the kids say? Well, I think I’ll give you a sampling of some of their comments:
In the words of one of my girls, “We have a lot of books about white boys in this room!” Yes, we do! And most of them are fantastic, but adding other voices is only going to help so that every kid can see themselves and see the wide range of experiences in our country and in our world.
“A lot of books have shadow people on the cover.” They were referring to silhouettes, and this observation lead to some great discussion about what the publishers might intend with that. They were questioning how to categorize those types of covers and if we needed another category.
Another big topic that came up was that some forms of diversity weren’t being accounted for in this exercise. And that all stemmed from the debate about what gender pile to put the book George in. Do we go by the clues on the cover which might suggest a boy? Or do we account for what we know of the story (which is about a transgender girl) and my students said, “We need another category, Mrs. Allen.” Many students mentioned that religion or disability wasn’t included in what we were looking for. Also, because we only used the visual of the cover, that is really limiting. A cover that includes a girl or a person of color does not mean that character plays a big part or that they are portrayed in a great way. Were they just the sidekick?
Ideas for Next Time
- Do this earlier in the year. (We jumped in during the second to last week of school. I want this to be on kids’ minds much earlier.)
- Connect with another class doing the same thing and share results. I think that could be powerful.
- Include more categories (maybe religion, disability, LGBTQ)
- Do some analysis in other places (This could be a great teacher/librarian collaboration in the school library. Also examine the public library, a local bookstore, Scholastic flyers, or online stores.)
- Take this to that next step and have kids research and recommend titles to fill out the gaps in our library. So that they are playing a part in creating a more diverse selection of books that they will love.
Mainly, I was just acutely aware of how limited this exercise was. And yet - I am so glad we did it. The data we gleaned is not going into some peer-reviewed journal, but it gave these kids (and me!) a taste of that data analysis. And, the best part, it lead to even more questions - and now they know that it’s a question they should ask about the books surrounding them! And our shared spreadsheet is messy - some percents aren’t accurate and some kids categorized a little differently. But, my hope, is that when they find themselves in a library or bookstore and pick up a book, they’ll remember this and maybe carry those questions and discoveries forward with them and start to (seek out - no! That’s too weak) start to demand more books that reflect our cultures and our communities.
And for us, let’s not shy away from this work, as uncomfortable and complicated as it sometimes can be.
And as always, I really want to hear your ideas about this topic. You can tag me on Twitter or Instagram - our handle is @books_between or email me at booksbetween@gmail.com and I’d love to hear and share your ideas.
Interview - Madelyn Rosenberg & Wendy Shang
Today I am so excited to welcome Madelyn Rosenberg and Wendy Shang to the podcast. They are the authors of the recently released middle grade novel This Is Just a Test. We chat about their collaboration process, epic Thanksgiving dinners, Trivial Pursuit, and all our favorite fashions from the 80s. Take a listen.
This is Just a Test
Your middle grade novel, This is Just a Test, was just released this past June 27th - congratulations!
What is this book about?
I loved David and his story but I think for me, my favorite part of this book was that it was set in the early 80s with big hair and boom boxes and Boy George!
What was your research process like in order to make sure that the setting was authentically 1983?
Some quick questions about the 80s….
Favorite 80s band?
Favorite Atari Game?
Favorite 80s TV Show?
Favorite 80s Fashion?
Trivial Pursuit plays a big part in this book because David and his two friends Hector and Scott are competing in this big Trivia Tournament and they play the game to practice.
What is your favorite Trivial Pursuit category?
Not everything about the 80s was light and fun - one of the major pieces of this book is the looming threat of the Cold War and David’s anxiety after watching The Day After - a pretty scary movie that shows the effects of nuclear war.
Did you see that movie and did it have the same impact on you?
Your Writing Life
How did you two come to know each other?
What was your collaboration process like for writing This Is Just a Test? Did you meet in person or do most of your work online?
Your Reading Life
What were some of your favorite books as a child?
What have you been reading lately that you’ve liked?
Closing
Okay - that wraps up our show this week. If you have a question or an idea about a topic we should cover, I would love to hear from you. You can email me at booksbetween@gmail.com or message me on Twitter/Instagram at the handle @Books_Between.
Thank you so much for joining me this week. You can find an outline of interviews and a full transcript of all the other parts of our show along with all of our previous episodes at AlltheWonders.com.
And, if you are liking the show, please help others find us too by telling a friend, sharing on social media, or leaving a rating on iTunes or Stitcher.
Thanks again and see you soon! Bye!
Episode Links:
Undefeated by Steve Sheinkin
http://www.indiebound.org/book/9781596439542
Today Will Be Different - Maria Semple
http://www.indiebound.org/book/9780316403436
Short - Holly Sloan
http://www.indiebound.org/book/9780399186219
Unidentified Suburban Object - Mike Jung
http://www.indiebound.org/book/9780545782265
